24 Jan 2018
Rugby in South Africa is gradually moving out of summer sloth and getting ready for action. The same is true for referees, who will be heading off to their camp later this month with the prospect of fitness tests. Jaco Peyper, one of the world's best referees, one of them and is taking time to answer readers' questions.
Name: Roy Sullivan
Question: Leinster vs Glasgow. A Leinster player kicks the ball long downfield it crosses the touchline direct at about 30 metres the rolls into touch and goes beyond the 22-metre line but off the field of play The opposition wing chases the ball picks it up takes a quick throw to himself collects and then kicks it 50 metres downfield but direct into touch for his teams throw in. Surely he took the throw in at the wrong place Gaining a lot of ground. Surely he should have taken the throw in front of the 22-metre line so as not to gain this benefit, he would have needed to kick the ball to stay in play in play The opposition lost the chance of a 30-metre attacking line-out
Jaco Peyper: Hi Roy,
I have not seen the incident yet, but the way you describe it, your observation is spot on. The fact that ball went into touch clearly short of the 22m line, means the Glasgow defender has chosen to take the quick throw-in behind the ‘mark’ and therefore carried it back into the 22m – therefore there should be no gain in ground.
Please, note though there was an interpretation up to the recent simplifications ‘new law’ adjustments in 2017, where a player that picked the ball up behind the 22m in touch (that went into touch clearly short of 22m as per your example and the rolled past the 22m line in touch area) – did not “carry the ball back into 22m” and therefore can gain ground if the quick throw-in was taken in the 22m and kicked directly into touch.
The 2017 simplifications in the new Laws then have made it clear that there will be no gain in ground in your example.
2. Name: Chris Russell
Question: I have a question about advantage. At an attacking 5m-scrum, the attacking Red scrumhalf fumbles the ball and knocks-on. As the referee calls "Scrum advantage Blue", the Red scrumhalf grubbers the ball into Blue's goal. Can Blue ground the ball in goal and claim a 22m drop-out as a 'tactical advantage gained'? Or, by grounding the ball, has Blue ended advantage and has to settle for the scrum?
Jaco Peyper: Hi Chris,
Really good question!
Advantage is probably one of the biggest tools a referee has to contribute to a game – and it comes with wide discretion see Law 8:
8.1(a) Referee is the sole judge if a team gained an advantage or not and
8.2 Advantage must be clear and real, not just a mere opportunity to gain advantage
BUT the law also states in 8.3(e) that advantage cannot be played after the ball has been made dead.
So that means that if the non-offending team has not gained a real and clear advantage yet at the point where the ball has been made dead – advantage cannot be played further to award the 22m – but a return to scrum for first infringement.
Hope it makes sense technically?
(However, philosophically I would like to give defending team the 22m option, especially if they don’t have the best scrum on the field. Then surely the scrum is not an “advantage” as they may be under real pressure vs the 22m relief.)
3. Name: Steve Pearce
Question: (This question is from an ARU Law exam) - Red are in possession and a maul forms - Blue steal the ball, but the maul collapses legally - The ball is available to be played by blue, and the referee calls 'use it' - Blue fail to use it, and the referee blows the whistle and awards a scrum.
Question: should it be a scrum to Red, because Blue didn't use it when instructed? - or should it be a scrum to Blue, because Red were in possession on the ball when the maul commenced?
Jaco Peyper: Hi Steve,
Law 17 deals with the Maul and specifically 17.6 Uunsuccessful end to a maul (meaning the ball or the player with the ball did not leave the maul, nor did ball reach the in-goal area):
Now we have contradicting statements it may seem in law:
17.6(c) Scrum following a maul: Ball thrown in by team not in possession when the maul began…
17.6(g) When the ball is available to be played the referee will call “use it”. If ball is not played within five seconds the referee will award a turnover scrum.
We do not have the ball available to be played in 17.6(c) and therefore it is my submission that in your scenario the ball is actually available to be played which makes 17.6(g) the appropriate law to award the turnover scrum after the ‘use it’ instruction
Hope the logic is easy to follow!
4. Name: Pat Dowsley
Question: This week we had news that Mathieu Bastareaud of Toulon had been cited and suspended for rudely insulting an opponent. Under what law may this happen. What sort of insult would meet the "red card" criterion?
Jaco Peyper: Hi Pat
Citing falls outside the referee's realm and independently administered by a citing body, therefore not something for referees to comment on the processes.
A referee can deal with these incidents under Law 10(4)(m) “Acts contrary to good Sportsmanship”, should he have a clear incident with clear facts (not hearsay). And a serious degrading insult/derogatory remark may well, be judged a Red Card by the referee himself – but that does not equate to a citing – mere sanction during the 80 minutes.
In practice, citing is based on serious Law 10 Foul Play infringements as per our Law book (that is where the red card test is used), but there are additional grounds for citing taken up in Regulation 17 Discipline. This may include “bringing the game into disrepute” amongst others and the citing commissioner follows these procedures independently. See the link below for more details.
Ask the duty referee
Duty Ref 551 - Jaco Peyper
Duty Ref 550 - Lourens van der Merwe
Duty Ref 549 - Marius van der Westhuizen
Duty Ref 547 - Marius van der Westhuizen
Duty Ref 546 - Jaco Peyper
Duty Ref 545 - Joey Klaaste-Salmans
Duty Ref 544 - Lourens van der Merwe
Duty Ref 543 - Joey Klaaste-Salmans
Duty Ref 542 - Marius van der Westhuizen
Duty Ref 541 - Jaco Peyper